Comments on: Three Weddings and a Protest http://ohdavenow.com/2009/12/12/three-weddings-and-a-protest/ A blog about Dave Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:43:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Oh Dave Now http://ohdavenow.com/2009/12/12/three-weddings-and-a-protest/#comment-44 Oh Dave Now Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:32:15 +0000 http://ohdavenow.com/?p=173#comment-44 So have your troubles multiplied now that you're married? That's what I'm afraid of!! (grin) I appreciate that you considered the political factor--the choice to get married is personal and there are many reasons for and against, but celebrating love thankfully won out. I’m glad too that we chose to be in a space of love and friendship at your wedding instead of pouting in a political corner. Fighting inequality and prejudice with love, music, good food, amazing views, and friendship is so much more fun!! So have your troubles multiplied now that you’re married? That’s what I’m afraid of!! (grin)

I appreciate that you considered the political factor–the choice to get married is personal and there are many reasons for and against, but celebrating love thankfully won out. I’m glad too that we chose to be in a space of love and friendship at your wedding instead of pouting in a political corner. Fighting inequality and prejudice with love, music, good food, amazing views, and friendship is so much more fun!!

]]> By: Vicki http://ohdavenow.com/2009/12/12/three-weddings-and-a-protest/#comment-43 Vicki Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:10:58 +0000 http://ohdavenow.com/?p=173#comment-43 Regarding your "Personally, I always felt that the advantage of being gay was the absence of pressure to get married..." I am reminded of a wry New Yorker cartoon. Of course, I can't copy it here or the copyright police will get us both, but it depicted a hetero couple, sitting comfortably in their apartment where the man is reading the newspaper. In the caption, he says "Oh dear. Now gays want to get married. Don't they already have enough trouble!" Feeling an all-too familiar liberal guilt for not having "pulled a Brangelina" I'm glad you chose to join us to celebrate a privilege that exempts you - that you and Eric have full enough hearts enjoy love and friendship wherever they alight. And isn't that really the point, what we all aspire to? Regarding your “Personally, I always felt that the advantage of being gay was the absence of pressure to get married…” I am reminded of a wry New Yorker cartoon. Of course, I can’t copy it here or the copyright police will get us both, but it depicted a hetero couple, sitting comfortably in their apartment where the man is reading the newspaper. In the caption, he says “Oh dear. Now gays want to get married. Don’t they already have enough trouble!”

Feeling an all-too familiar liberal guilt for not having “pulled a Brangelina” I’m glad you chose to join us to celebrate a privilege that exempts you – that you and Eric have full enough hearts enjoy love and friendship wherever they alight. And isn’t that really the point, what we all aspire to?

]]> By: Oh Dave Now http://ohdavenow.com/2009/12/12/three-weddings-and-a-protest/#comment-40 Oh Dave Now Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:46:57 +0000 http://ohdavenow.com/?p=173#comment-40 You make a good and inspiring point, Dave. There are many gay couples with kids, including in my immediate circle, and all the discriminations against the couple get passed on to their kids. Good for the 10-yr-old in Arkansas and your friends' son for standing up--it well could be their passion and determination that brings equality for all in the U.S. You make a good and inspiring point, Dave. There are many gay couples with kids, including in my immediate circle, and all the discriminations against the couple get passed on to their kids. Good for the 10-yr-old in Arkansas and your friends’ son for standing up–it well could be their passion and determination that brings equality for all in the U.S.

]]> By: Dave Stein http://ohdavenow.com/2009/12/12/three-weddings-and-a-protest/#comment-39 Dave Stein Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:25:33 +0000 http://ohdavenow.com/?p=173#comment-39 "No soup for you!" the Seinfeld Soup Nazi would proclaim, banishing the patron from the line. As angry as we were after Prop 8, we see that banishing those that CAN get married from getting married would put us up as an obstacle to love; the very thing we are trying to protest. So what do we do? One child, and I mean 10, has refused to stand and recite the pledge of allegiance until there is truth and justice for all....and that means same sex marriage. He's in Arkansas! His classmates are calling him gaywad, and John Stewart, of The Daily Show, stood up for him, It is fabulous. And that's the siren call we have to hear...that of removing obstacles. David, I used to be just as ambivalent towards marriage as you were. I even hosted a Marriage Equality benefit, while still having little respect for the institution until...and this is a big until...I saw how perfect it was for two dear friends and their 13 year old son. Kids of gay families feel 2nd class, and that's a crime. Families with kids need special protections, and they all need equal status. And it's so vital for the kids to feel like they aren't 2nd class. At their wedding, the son and his friends ran around passing out No-On-Prop-8 buttons and stickers. The defeat was so tough on the guy. The thought of his parents marriage being held up to a vote was painful, and the defeat was crushing. Regardless, the wedding was just what I, and I hope so many others needed, so that we as a congregation could affirm their love, their marriage, regardless of what the voters did. Plus, it was a kick-ass wedding with lots of performances, poems, and classic San Francisco moments. Just the elysium I needed to keep up the friction against those who deny us our equal rights! Thanks so much for blogging. You're a great contributor. “No soup for you!” the Seinfeld Soup Nazi would proclaim, banishing the patron from the line.

As angry as we were after Prop 8, we see that banishing those that CAN get married from getting married would put us up as an obstacle to love; the very thing we are trying to protest.

So what do we do?

One child, and I mean 10, has refused to stand and recite the pledge of allegiance until there is truth and justice for all….and that means same sex marriage. He’s in Arkansas!

His classmates are calling him gaywad, and John Stewart, of The Daily Show, stood up for him, It is fabulous.

And that’s the siren call we have to hear…that of removing obstacles.

David, I used to be just as ambivalent towards marriage as you were. I even hosted a Marriage Equality benefit, while still having little respect for the institution until…and this is a big until…I saw how perfect it was for two dear friends and their 13 year old son.

Kids of gay families feel 2nd class, and that’s a crime. Families with kids need special protections, and they all need equal status. And it’s so vital for the kids to feel like they aren’t 2nd class.

At their wedding, the son and his friends ran around passing out No-On-Prop-8 buttons and stickers. The defeat was so tough on the guy. The thought of his parents marriage being held up to a vote was painful, and the defeat was crushing.

Regardless, the wedding was just what I, and I hope so many others needed, so that we as a congregation could affirm their love, their marriage, regardless of what the voters did.

Plus, it was a kick-ass wedding with lots of performances, poems, and classic San Francisco moments. Just the elysium I needed to keep up the friction against those who deny us our equal rights!

Thanks so much for blogging. You’re a great contributor.

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